Episode 15-Virginia May

Episode 15 February 10, 2023 00:50:48
Episode 15-Virginia May
Colorado Crime Podcast
Episode 15-Virginia May

Feb 10 2023 | 00:50:48

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Kori Dacus Amanda Russell

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This week on @ColoradoCrimePodcast we introduce you to Virginia May; She was a 33 year old wife and mother of two who was kidnapped in front of her 4 year old daughter in 1986. Her and her husband owned a ranch in Bennet, CO and two of their employees were responsible for her death.

 

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Amanda: Hey there, all you true crime fans. I'm Amanda. Kori: And I'm Kori. Amanda: And this is Colorado crime. If you're new here, we cover cases from coast to coast with a special emphasis on cases that happen right here in colorful, crime filled Colorado. If you're returning, thanks for being here. All right, guys. Corey, are you ready for your joke this week? Kori: Of course. Why are chicken so funny? Amanda: Why? Because he's going to be so proud of you. It's her favorite. Kori: It's my favorite joke, too. Amanda: She called my dad and told him and everything funny. Kori: I walked around work, like, the last week because I saw it on TikTok, and I just walked around telling people. People are like, it's not funny anymore. And I'm like, no, it's still funny. It's still funny to me. Amanda: Oh, that's so funny. That is funny. I love that. All right, guys, so I do have an update in the Idaho murder case for you. After the suspected murderer left his college campus, he was headed to his parents house in Pennsylvania, and apparently he was missing for several hours before he was spotted again here in Colorado. The FBI has denied this, saying it's false information, so I guess we'll see what happens in court. And also, Kaylee Goncalvas's family is fighting back against the unusually strict gag order. So on January 18, the order was expanded to ban any attorneys representing survivors, witnesses, or the victim's families from talking or writing about the case, which is just so crazy to me. And again, like I've mentioned before, that I believe a gag order is a really good way of protecting the integrity of the case, because ultimately, a conviction is what we need. But I've never seen a gag order this restrictive, have you? Kori: I have not. I don't know why you couldn't talk to people about it. Like, your family members were killed. I think you need to be able to talk about your unalived family members. Like, I don't understand that at all. I guess to keep people from discussing it for jury selection. But, I mean, that doesn't really I mean, he was on the news. Amanda: Oh, God, he was unless you live. Kori: Under a rock and wide. Amanda: Yeah. I wonder if that I was just thinking about this. I wonder if that order extends to counselors. Like a grief counselor? Kori: I don't know. Amanda: Yeah, I don't know. Because that would be ridiculous. Kori: Right. You couldn't even go to therapy about it because you couldn't talk to your therapist in case they got called into jury duty. Amanda: Right. And I do think that there's more to the case than what has been released so far, which is another reason why I think the gag order is in place. I mean, probably, but I don't know. And also, there's been so much speculation in this case, and we really do try to only discuss information that's been confirmed. Just so you guys know, TikTok is not a credible source, and we won't cover most of what's discussed there unless the source confirms it. I know. Don't get me wrong. I love TikTok, and I spend way too much time there in an embarrassing amount of time. Kori: Me, too. I'm always 25 videos deep into something. Like I follow this TikToker. She's in Massachusetts, I think. Massachusetts or Michigan. I don't know. But she does this program. It's actually called Project Home. Again, I think it's Massachusetts. But they have a lot of unhoused people that they give bedding and furniture and kitchen stuff, too. So I follow her while she's picking for families and stuff like that. It's a pretty cool little program. Amanda: I love that. Yeah, I'll have to check her out. That's cool. Kori: And I follow a lot of Sims players. Amanda: Fair. Kori: Whatever. Amanda: I follow, like, makeup people or I follow a lot of true crime on there. I do follow this lady. I think her name's Katie. I should probably know this because I am so invested in this woman's life. She owns a farm. I think it's her her parents and her husband own a farm in Tennessee, and it's foling season right now, and their horse Gracie just had a new fool, and her name is Penelope. And I, too, have a Penelope, but she is not a baby pony. Kori: She is a dog baby puppy. Amanda: But I'm not talking to her right now. She's a bad dog. It's not funny. Kori: I follow a farm lady on there who has emus. Amanda: Oh, no way. Kori: Oh, my gosh. Amanda: Is it the Karen one? Kori: Yes. Oh, my gosh, so much. Amanda: Oh, God, that's so funny. That bird is so mean. They kind of scare me. They're like a dinosaur to me. Kori: They are kind of scary. But I like that she has these names for them, and then she has, like, llamas or not llamas alpacas. Oh, God. Amanda: I like when she puts the emus. Like, she puts them in costumes. Kori: Oh, yeah, me too. Like the little emu sweaters. She is oh, that's so funny. Amanda: She is funny. She is funny, that horse lady. She also has two baby cows, and I love cows. I actually have my cow cup right here. But she has two little baby cows, and they're named Poppy and Petunia. I know, they're really cute. They're like those fluffy Highland cows. Kori: Like those cute little cows you'd want to snuggle. Amanda: Yeah, they kind of look like those little, like I don't know. I don't know what they're called. I've never seen Star Wars, but we were at Target and saw a toy and it looked like a baby cow. I thought, I don't know what it's called. Don't come for me. I've never seen Star Wars. I'm sorry. I take back my reference because I don't know what I'm talking about. So in other news, Aidan Fuchi, he is the 16 year old who was accused of stabbing his 13 year old classmate in 2021, so his trial was actually set to start this week. And, like, I'm gonna be honest, I am I'm pretty judgy, but I do try to, like, be open, but, like, I ******* hate this kid. I think that this kid is, like, the worst of the worst. Have you stayed up on this case at all? Kori: No. If I'm being honest, I'm terrible with keeping up with current events, and it's gotten worse since we moved away. I don't know what's happening with anything, so unless it's been on Dateline, I have no idea. I'm a really amazing co host, so there's that. Amanda: So true. Crime is really the only news that I keep up on, or whatever Chris tells me. Or TikTok. Just kidding. So here's a little overview for those of you who aren't as familiar. So, Tristan Bailey was a 13 year old cheerleader in Florida. She was reported missing on the morning of Mother's Day in 2021 after she didn't attend Mother's Day breakfast. She was last seen around midnight the day before. Unfortunately, her body was discovered around 06:00 p.m.. And it was apparent that she had been stabbed to death. Aidan Fuchi actually admitted to being with Tristan the night before at a friend's house, and then the two were seen walking together down the street by surveillance. So at first he denied any involvement with her disappearance and he told investigators that she had walked a different direction from him. But then he changed his story and said that the two had a verbal altercation and he pushed her on the ground and she hit her head. He's also the kid who was seen on, I believe it was Snapchat, posting like, a selfie from the squad car, saying something about like, oh, where's Tristan? Before it was really even released that he was being looked at. But being the typical piece of **** that he is, he changed his story multiple times. And it was announced that she actually was stabbed 114 times and had several defensive wounds. Kori: That's a lot of stab wounds. That's some anger that he had behind that. Stabbings are crimes of passion. So maybe this is so 1970s. Just because a boy likes a girl doesn't mean he has to be mean to her. And the same is true if a girl likes a boy. You don't have to be mean to each other. You can just be nice and you can just say, hey, I like you. You don't have to stab them or punch them or pull their hair or any other mean things. Amanda: I agree. Let's just stop that now. That's ridiculous to me. Kori: Yeah, it's not. Amanda: Okay, so he actually had two knives, I guess, that everybody knew about, and they were called, like, Pearson Poke or something. And then when it was released that she had been stabbed, that's kind of when police started to look at Aidan. And then a search warrant was conducted at his home and that's pretty much what, like, sealed the case there was clothing found with Tristan's blood on it. And then his mom was arrested also in 2021 for tampering with evidence after she washed blood off of his clothes, like, literally the blood of a 13 year old. And she was just like, oh, I'll wash this off. It's just like juice. Kori: That's terrible. Amanda: I know of her. We talked about it in the last episode. I have no loyalty to anyone who decides. So callously, might I add, to take someone from this world. Like, no loyalty at all. Kori: Me either. If you tell me you murder somebody, I'm probably going to tell the police. Amanda: I know. Kori: I mean, most likely because I can't keep a secret for ****. Amanda: No, me either. Kori: If you tell me a secret, somebody's going to know about it. I can't do it. Amanda: Please. Murder. Kori: If you murder, keep it to yourself. Amanda: Yes. Don't tell anybody. Sure. Kori: Way to get caught. Amanda: That's so funny. I'm good with secrets, but if it's an important one, I'm sorry. I'm totally telling. Kori: Yeah. Amanda: But if you're like, hey, I got it. Kori: I'll try. I'll try my best, but I'm too excited. Presents are my downfall. Amanda: Emerson too. Oh my God. Kori: Yeah, I just want to give if I buy you a present, I just want to give it to you because I'm so excited about it. Amanda: Oh my gosh. So shout out to my sister in law, Janie. Hi, Janie. So every year we buy each other something for Christmas, and we're like, hey, so your present came. I know. It's like December 1. Do you want to see the shirt I got you? We are the worst. Kori: Yeah. That's how I am. Amanda: We're just totally fine with it. Yeah, I love it. Kori: Kate's always yelling at me. **** it, Corey, don't try them. Like, sorry, too late. Amanda: That's Emerson. Or Emerson won't tell you. And she's like, hey, I got you something. And you're like, oh, yeah? What is it? Well, I can't tell you, but you could wear it on your arms. And you're like, oh, really? Kori: Good shirt. Amanda: Well, I'm not going to tell you, but you're going to really like it. There's cows on it. And you're like, oh, so you got me like, a cow shirt? No. Yes. Great. Thanks, Emerson. Kori: Always. Amanda: So anyway, Aiden Fuji was actually 14 at the time of the murder. Like 14. Guys, let that sink in for just a minute because I have 314 year old nieces. I cannot even imagine if something like one if they were committing crimes like this and if something happened to them, they're still in middle school. That's crazy to me. Hold on, my dog has something. Lincoln was pulling a prank on us and made the toilet smoke this morning, which is why there was like two toilet paper rolls on top and then like a little toilet paper roll inside the lid so it looks like the toilet smoking. Anyway, Luna was like, oh, look, a paper towel roll, and then she's eating, like, the little toilet cap thingies. Kori: That's funny. Amanda: She's being so bad. Yes. We come visit you. I'm sure Lincoln will. I'm sure you'll have smoking toilets too. It's like Lincoln's signature move. Kori: That's funny. Amanda: Okay, so back to Aidan fuchi. He did plead guilty this week to first degree murder, actually, on Monday. So he faces the possibility of life in prison, but won't face the death penalty because he was a minor at the time of the murder. And apparently he's being, like, a total peach in jail too. He spent his time there threatening to kill other inmates and corrections officers and even their families. So I definitely don't think that he's someone who deserves to see the light of day again. And my heart just goes out to Tristan's family. I just think it's such a devastating loss for her family and her community, and I hope that Aidan Fuchi ruts in the pits of hell, because F, that kid, right? Kori: At least it's not like the 1970s and 80s where there were a lot of serial killers. They knew they know about him right away, so he just wasn't going around killing people forever. Amanda: True. Kori: You know what I mean? He's probably killed animals and things like that. But if he hadn't gotten caught, I see him being a serial murderer for sure. Amanda: Absolutely. He's one of those kids who thinks he's so cool, and he's got street cred, right? He's a punk. Kori: Yeah. Amanda: I hate that kid, man. Kori: I can't imagine your 14 year old I have a 14 year old nephew. He's not a murdering kind. He's a sweet kid. He would never murder anyone. He would never murder anyone. I want to snuggle him right now. He's so cute. Thank you for not murdering people, right? Amanda: It's so true. I hope you don't ever murder anybody. Hey, do you want to give us an update on the Murdoch trial? Kori: Have you been keeping up with it also? No, but Alex Murdog is a crazy ****. Like that guy, man. I just don't understand. I can't even explain. How do you find his wife and son dead and it turns out he shot them, but he's actually poorly handled investigation, but he's also in financial trouble, and he also has a lawsuit against him because of a boat crash that his son was driving at the time. Amanda: Yeah, he killed a kid. Kori: Yeah, it's just a whole like that whole family has a whole jacked up. Amanda: I don't know, it all seems so theatrical, right? Kori: Kind of like, what's that name? I don't remember. Amanda: Yeah, I do feel like there's too many like, because I've looked into it now since last week, there's too many little things that are like, oh, this was out of place. This was out of place. This was out of place. But if it was one or two things, you wouldn't notice it. Right, but because there's so many of these incidents you're like, okay, now this is getting real suspicious. Kori: Yeah. Amanda: Okay, so before we jump into this. Kori: Robert Durst, he was a real estate guy. Yes. That dude was also crazy. And it seems like it's kind of like a similar like the story is kind of similar. You know what I mean? Amanda: Yes. He's like 400 years old. Kori: He's dead now. Amanda: Yeah. He looked awful, though. Kori: Yeah, he died from COVID Yeah, he. Amanda: Just died this last year. Kori: Yes. Amanda: He looked like he was like 400. He wasn't that old. He was, what, 78? Kori: Yeah, 78. Amanda: Crazy guy, but yes, very similar. I agree. Okay, so before we jump into this week's episode, I have a little story for you. And I saved this one so I could tell you while we were recording because I needed to get your reaction. Okay. So I do a pre prom drinking and driving program, and I had a meeting last week at my old high school, and my last name is not the same anymore. And I don't know, I hope I don't look like I'm still 18. Kori: I mean, kind of. Amanda: Fine. Well, so I'm standing up there and I'm talking, and we do our whole spiel. And then there was a dog there, so I had to go meet the dog. So I'm talking to the dog and somebody comes up to me, and I was like, Hi. And it was my former teacher, so shout out to Miss Gustad. And she was like, oh, my gosh, I didn't know it was you at first. I didn't recognize your name, and I'm sitting so far in the back that I didn't recognize your face. She said that the second you started talking, I recognized your voice. Kori: So apparently you've got this mousy voice since high school. Amanda: Apparently. I'm stuck with it, guys. I know. So I thought it was pretty funny. But shout out to Miss Gustad and to her newspaper staff if you guys are listening. You're all awesome and thank you so much. Kori: That was a funny story. I'm so glad you waited to tell me that. Amanda: Oh, no, I knew you would be. Kori: Best podcast co host ever. Amanda: Stop it. You're so kind. Kori: I know. Amanda: Okay, so should we just jump right into it? Kori: Sure. Amanda: Cool. Kori: So this week we're discussing the kidnapping and murder of a woman named Virginia May. She was the oldest in her close knit family, and she was almost 34 years old. She was a wife and mother of two. She had a son and a daughter, and her and her husband ran a ranch out in Byers, Colorado. And she also had the unfortunate bad luck of being Gary Lee Davis and his wife Rebecca Fincham's. Neighbor and employer, jenny, as she was called by her family, also lived with her sister in law, Sue McLennan. Honestly, there isn't a whole lot about Jenny, which is so unfortunate. Amanda: Older cases are so hard to research, which totally bums me out I just think it's so unfair to the victims and their families. Their murderers have, like, Wikipedia pages and murder PDA pages and articles and blogs and the whole gamut, so you can find out anything you want on the murderer. But, like, the victims, you get their tombstone. You get to know where their tombstone is located, and I just think that it's really unfair to them. I just feel like there should be something somewhere that memorializes these victims who. Kori: Lost their yes instead of I get the murderer part of it, because everybody wants to know about that. But there are victims. That's why they're murderers. We should know a little bit more about their lives and how they were as people and why. I don't understand that either. But she actually was targeted after Davis and Fincham had had two previous failed attempts at kidnapping people. Can you imagine? Amanda: No. Or change? Kori: Charm, I guess. Amanda: Right? So on July 18, 1986, just three days before Jenny went missing, the couple actually tried to kidnap another woman. Her name was Tammy Boprey, and she lived about ten minutes away in Wiggins, which is also in Colorado, and she was visited by a couple driving a green four door sedan with Kansas plates. Later, Tammy actually identified the couple. They stopped at her house, and they asked for directions, and they asked if her husband was home, and when she confirmed that he was, they left. That's so crazy. Kori: It is. Amanda: Tammy totally could have been their first victim. Kori: Yeah, she dodged a bullet. Amanda: Or 14. Kori: Yeah, I mean, whatever. So Davis actually worked for Virginia and her husband, so they were out laying some fence and stuff like that, and he had just used the restroom outside, because when you live on a farm, you use the restroom outside. But while after he was done using the restroom, he waggled his junk at Virginia a couple of days before he decided to kidnap her. And he was like, come on, Virginia, come to me. I'm so ready for you. He was obsessed with her. He mentioned how much he liked her multiple times. Amanda: Waggled his junk. I think that's, like, the best description ever, and I'm only laughing at that. I wasn't laughing at what happened to Virginia. Kori: I know, but waggling your junk is pretty funny. Can you imagine, like, doing an airplane or whatever dudes do with their junk? I don't know. Amanda: Oh, my gosh. I know. I really think sometimes it's wasted on men. Kori: It really is. Amanda: Like, youth is wasted on no. What is it? Kori: Youth is wasted on the young. Amanda: Is that what it is? Kori: I think so. Amanda: Whatever it is, I feel that I think I just want to try it one time. Kori: Right. Me too. Some of our stuff you shouldn't try at home. Don't wiggle your junk of people. Amanda: Do not waggle your junk of people. You will become a sex offender. You will have to Wagner. Kori: Don't waggle your junk at People? Amanda: No, junk waggling. Kori: Some of our quotes aren't factual. We don't know everything. Amanda: Like you're hanging out with your best friends. I'm talking about junk waggling and listening to our stomach scrawl, because I'm so sorry, guys. You were bound to hear it in this episode. It's loud. I'm so sorry. Kori: So Rebecca, Davis's lovely wife, called Sue McLennan, who, as we previously stated, is Virginia's sister in law, earlier in the evening about some children's clothing that she wanted to give sue and her children. So Rebecca and Gary drove over there, but fortunately for sue, her husband was home. So Becky just had a glass of tea and Davis never got out of the car. So, lucky for sue, she was also going to be victim number two. So they continued this ruse and she, later on in the evening, called Jenny and called her about the same thing. Hey, we have some children's clothes for you. And when the pair showed up to Jenny's house, she was actually expecting them. So she came out on the porch and she was holding her four year old daughter, Krista. Becky lured the pair to the shed with a request to borrow some wire stretchers, which you use for putting up fence. And Gary was hiding in the shed, and he punched Jenny in the face and then drugged her to the car. And then Becky shoot Krista back into the house. There have been many speculations as to what happened after, but the following account is thought to be the most accurate. Amanda: So, while I was researching this case, I found that Gary was actually corresponding with a woman from Ireland who flew here to Colorado to visit him while he was awaiting trial. And then he was also writing a local Denver woman who was, like, a prison activist, and the two wrote back and forth, like, pen pal style for ten years. And she says that she doesn't even believe he ever told her the truth about that day. Kori: I don't think he has ever told anybody the truth. I think his version in his head is what the truth is. I don't think anyone will ever know the truth about what really happened. I just know that those two were some crazy people. Couple killers. A lot of times they say that either one or the other of the couple is being influenced by the other one. And I don't think that's true in this case. I think both of those two were messed up and whatever, like, did some jacked up stuff. So Gary dragged Jenny to the car and stripped her naked and then dragged her out of the car with a rope around her neck. Davis attempted, but may have failed to have sex with her, despite his testimony in court that he assaulted me repeatedly for years afterward. He insisted that he did not rape her, which could be true, but not for lack of trying, I hope. Amanda: He couldn't get it up. Kori: He probably couldn't. But who knows? Maybe he couldn't get it up because Rebecca was there. I don't know. But then he forced her to engage in oral sex with Rebecca. Can you imagine? I don't know. They're such an odd couple. I don't get it. Amanda: Yeah. And she was just a young mom living on a farm, and buyers at the time, it was kind of like taboo. Kori: Right. Amanda: So I'm sure she was really just. Kori: Trying to live her life yeah. Amanda: And help her husband with their business, and then these two show up. But I did find that this was, like, sort of their stick. Gary felt that his marriage to Rebecca was unsatisfactory, and so he began to look at schmornography. Are we allowed to say ***********? I mean, you said unalived, so I went with schmornography. Kori: Oh, nice. I just feel like unalived is better than I don't know. Did I watch too much TikTok? Amanda: I know. That's what I thought, too. Yeah. He said that they would go, like, quote, cruising for a pretty girl. And they apparently had this shared fantasy of picking up a girl and then taking her out to the country and raping her. He actually quoted saying that that was one of their fantasies. Kori: That's so weird. He also didn't feel like Rebecca was attractive enough. So I think that was also part of his problem. Like, he wasn't attracted to her. So I think having these four threesomes was the way to make her more attractive to him. Amanda: He was not a good looking man. Kori: No, he wasn't. Whatever. Right. Throughout it all, Jenny fought and pleaded for her life. She offered the couple $1,000 to let her go. Which $1,000 back in 1994 was a fair amount of money. Amanda: I thought this was in the 80s. Kori: See, some of what we say is in factual back in the newsroom. Back to you in the newsroom. In 1986, $1,000 was a lot of money. So there you go. Both Davis and Fincham must have known where this was headed long before they pulled up at Virginia's house. Davis struck her in the head with a rifle butt, fracturing her skull. She still had enough strength to raise her hands in a final effort to defend herself as she was shot 14 times with hollow point bullets. She was shot nine times in the head, four to the torso and one to the groin. The psychologist on Davis's team suggested that the shot to the groin was the work of Rebecca, as she might have seen Jenny as a rival. However, throughout the trial, davis claimed he fired all the shots. These two were really the worst. Amanda: Big name. Kori: Why were you yeah, why were you fighting over who shot who? They both did. Amanda: It like, creeper, right? You want those bragging rights or something, right? Like people in prison don't take kindly to men who murder women. Wanted to own that last shot. Kori: Right, so here's a little, and I mean long backstory on Gary Lee Davis. He was born August 13, 1944, in Wichita, Kansas, and he was raised by his mother, but he made claims that he was molested at an early age by his step brothers. So with that, he dropped out of school in the 9th grade. I'm not even sure what age that is. I haven't been in the 9th grade for years. Amanda: It's like, 14 or 15. I know this because I was just in high school last week. I spent a couple of hours there, which was, like, crazy. Yeah, high school kids are bananas right now. I'll have to tell you guys all my stories after we're done with this program. Kori: He joined the Marine Corps in 1961 at the age of 17. There isn't a whole lot about his stint in the Marines, so we'll just move on with his creepiness. He married his first wife, Tonya and Tatum, and had two sons with her before divorcing her five years later due to his increasing alcohol intake and insistent claims that she was cheating on him, he claimed it also fell apart because he was traveling the States at the time as a male stripper. I know, right? Can you imagine? No, sure wasn't. So at this time, the Marines noticed that he was drinking a lot and becoming more and more paranoid, and so he was actually medically discharged. He then held a lot of jobs meat cutter, cook, factory grunt, the usual when you don't have a high school education. Amanda: Yes. Kori: He also claimed that while he was married, he craved the attention of other women because he's such an attractive man that just one woman wasn't enough. Amanda: You guys are going to have to look up a picture of him. I won't post it as, like, the thumbnail because I feel like that's reserved for our victim, but look him up. He is not an attractive person. Kori: No. So he would like to walk around and expose himself to other women while you're drunk at someone, and then he would go home and jack off. I'm not explaining what that is, so just move on. Then he says that just exposing himself was not enough, and he started raping them as well. He claims to have raped at least 15 women. Those claims have not been substantiated, so I don't know if that's true or false or numbers less or more. Again, nobody has come forward with any of that, so I'm sure it was a lot of prostitutes that he probably raped or people that didn't report it. Amanda: It was so crazy to be in the sex work industry in the just feel like that was such a dangerous time. I mean, even now it's dangerous, but I'm sure it was prostitutes, and he's just I mean, seriously, look at this guy. Nobody's going to no, nobody's going to want to engage in right. Kori: You're not following him around. You're. Like, oh, man. Amanda: No, man's. Kori: Mary Davis, you're a sexy man. Amanda: Yeah, no one thought that. Kori: No, but apparently people did because he's been married a bunch of times. Amanda: Well, sometimes you just need a man to provide for you. Kori: Right. So when he hit his 30s in 1974, he married his second wife, Leona Coates. She was the ripe old age of 17. Amanda: Oh, my God. Kori: Yeah. Amanda: That's not marriage. That's babysitting. Kori: Yeah, they had four kids and they were married for eight years. And that marriage also wasn't what he wanted it to be. He claims that she was pregnant when they met and that they stayed together because she kept shelling out kids. Unquote EW. Dude, I know there's Christian people that listen to this, but I'm going to say this. You kept sticking it in her, so she kept having babies. Well, that's how that works. Amanda: Condoms, like yeah. Pulling prey. You got options, man. Kori: Yeah. So she claims that he was abusive when he was drunk, the same as his first wife, and that he was always trying to coerce her into a threesome. Amanda: So he was actually quoted saying that sober him was a nice person, but when he drank, he turned into a total monster. So that kind of claim. Kori: So he ended up spending the last three years of their marriage in trouble with the law. And in 1979, he was arrested for an assault in Bacha County on a female store clerk. He lured her outside by saying he needed help with the ice machine. Once she got outside, he held a knife to her throat and dragged her to the alley. She managed to get away with only wounds to her hands and neck. He took a plea to felony menacing and spent less than a year in jail for that crime. Amanda: I see. Kori: Yeah. So then a few months after he got out of jail, he was added again. Oh, Gary Lee, you just can't incorrigible. Right. Incorrigible. This time. The victim was a 15 year old who happened to be the daughter of his wife Leona's friends. Amanda: Oh, my God. Kori: Yeah. So he claims that she filed charges against him because he promised to pay her $300 for sex and didn't. But the prosecutors believed her when she said he pulled a knife on her and raped her. For this case, he also managed to plea bargain his way into an eight year sentence for sexual assault on a 15 year old. Yeah. This meant, barring bad behavior, he would be out in four. Amanda: Yuck. Kori: So now that we're in the what is this, the again? The Roar, the Roaring 20s, it's easy for us to see patterns of people, but back then, sexual offender programs were in their infancy, and it was mostly believed that people just need to quit drinking and they would be fine. Amanda: That's not really the answer for everything. Kori: Yeah. Quit drinking. Amanda: Drinking. Kori: Right. Quit drinking. So Davis was also a model prisoner can you imagine? He kept to himself. He earned special privileges. Amanda: He had them in right. Kori: And he went through the motions of an alcohol treatment program. And all the while he was thinking about that first drink he was going to have when he got out. He collected Pinpals ladies. And some Men inmates have 24 hours a day to run scams. Pinpals are one of them. Amanda: And just know if you are ever in jail, someone reads your letters before your loved one gets to so when you're talking about your chocolate starfish, someone else gets to read that first. You're welcome. Keep that in mind. Back your mind when you decide you want to commit some crimes. Yes. Kori: So one of his pin pals was you guessed it, Rebecca Fincham. She was introduced to him by one of his prisonmates because he was writing to her as well. So she collected prison pinpells? Amanda: That's the thing. Kori: Yeah, they made a whole show on it. She also sent topless photos of her children to some of Gary's prisonmates because she was a horrible, horrible person. Amanda: And that, folks, is how two of the worst people on the planet came to be married. So do you think that Rebecca would have committed any murders if she hadn't met Gary? I totally think that Gary would have. What do you think about Rebecca? Kori: I don't know if she necessarily would have committed any murders. She might have. I don't know. I didn't read a whole lot about her because it wasn't really about her. But she sounds like she'd be more into the selling her child kind of thing to make money because she seemed like she was always broke. So I think she was more of the selling her child type or pimping out her child type. Everyone can murder. We all have it in us somehow. It's just how we choose to deal with our problems and stuff. So I don't necessarily know if she would have murdered unless it was under. I think they brought out the worst in each other, and they did not make each other better people. They did not. Amanda: But either way, she'd be in jail. Kori: I think she'd be in jail. Amanda: Okay. Kori: For sure. Thank you. So Jerry Lee Davis was executed in October of 1997. He was the last person in Colorado to be executed. Did you know that? Amanda: I did know that, actually. Kori: Yeah. So Colorado doesn't do that anymore. Really? Amanda: There's a lot of we still have the death. Kori: Yeah, we have people on death row, but we haven't executed anyone since 1997. Amanda: When good old Gary Lee Davis kicked the bucket luna's back. Hello. Kori: And Rebecca died in prison. So that is perfect. That's where she needed to be. That's where he needed to be. Good for them. Way to go. Amanda: Do you have anything else that you want to discuss before we let these following people continue on with their lives? Kori: Like maybe your crazy oh, my crazier house stuff. So as you all know, as I've said in multiple episodes, I moved to Illinois. Great state, lovely people. However, the people that owned my house before are not as cool as we thought. So, FYI, don't make friends with your don't even attempt to make friends with people you buy a house from. They're not your friends. They're not going to be your friends. You're not going to hang out. You're not going to like anything that happens to their house. Amanda: No. It's business. Kori: Yes. We ended up having to rent a 20 cubic foot dumpster to throw out all the stuff that they left here that they came to pick up on. Not a day that we had agreed. So I ended up having to call the police, and I just want to tell you I'm sorry to all the people who feel like the police don't listen to you, because that's how I felt. I called the police. The police come. I'm like, the homeowner is not supposed to be or the old homeowner is not supposed to be here. They don't own it. They haven't owned it. It's been a week. Like, they don't live here legally. Amanda: Nothing. Kori: Right. They're not supposed to be here. We scheduled a time that they're supposed to be on Monday. They're not supposed to be here on this weekend. My wife's not home. I called the cops. The cops show up. They talked to the old homeowner and his four friends outside and fist bump them and walk up to talk to me. I felt like I was not heard. I felt like I was the racist Karen and that I was just this crazy white lady calling the cops on four black men, which nowhere in my whole statement did I ever say that. I said, there are four men in my backyard. They're the old homeowners, and three men I don't know. The dispatcher had the nerve to ask me if I had gone out to talk to them. I'm sorry. I'm not going out to talk to four strange three strange men in my backyard while they're taking stuff out of my yard. Granted, it was their stuff, but however, they had not lived here since since Monday. So technically, it's not their stuff. We told them that they could keep their patio furniture in their grill there, but they needed to pick it up in a timely manner and to coordinate with the lawyers on what day that was. And that day was going to be the following Monday. They just show up when they thought we were not home and started moving stuff out of the yard. So, unfortunately, we are no longer speaking to them. Everything in Illinois is done through attorneys on house sales. Amanda: That's really common in a lot of states. Kori: Yeah. So you don't talk I mean, your realtor isn't really involved with it a whole lot. It's all your attorneys. So everything goes through the attorneys. We're not speaking to them anymore. It's done with. We're not friends with them. But I had a really terrible experience with the police, and I think that's the part that I'm most disappointed about. I've never experienced that before because I've always had positive experiences with police. Even when I was a teenager. It wasn't anytime you had experience, it wasn't bad. But I was here, and I felt like the crazy I honestly felt like they thought I was the crazy white. Amanda: Lady, which should we mention that your wife is black? Kori: Right. My whole family, I have my family and Candace's family. We're an interracial couple. Like, I'm not a racist person. I've never been a racist person. I hate everyone equally. People do not have a right to be in your yard if they don't live here. So that was my thing. So that was my first week's experience here. And honestly, I cried and cried and cried, and I just wanted to go home. But I'm better now, so there you go. There's my experience, people. Amanda: I'm so sorry. Kori: It is what it is. I can't change that. All I can do is move on from that and try to not dwell on it. I'm not the crazy white lady, and I know I'm not the crazy white lady. So there we go. Amanda: Well, it's true, but that dispatcher should never have told you to go out and confront them. Kori: Right. Amanda: If that ever happens to anybody, especially as a female, and like right. I hate to this day and age. Kori: Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm not going outside. I'm not going outside. That's not happening. Amanda: No. Even as a man, would you go outside and you don't know the state of four people? No. Right. Kori: No. Amanda: I think that's awesome. Kori: So I was really disappointed in that and really sad, and I was just sad. I'm sad for other people that it happened to, and I'm sad that I experienced that, but I'm mostly sad because other people experience this all the time, and I think it's terrible. I think it's terrible that people are made to feel so small. Amanda: Oh, absolutely. Kori: Yeah. So they're on my soapbox. Sorry about that. Amanda: You could park it if you want. Kori: Okay. Amanda: You can stand there. Kori: Okay. I'm just going to stand on it then. Amanda: That's fair. Sometimes you just like, you need a better view. Kori: Right? Amanda: We do want to give a shout out to a subscriber. Brenda actually wrote, love you both. Love the longer episodes and more commentary and excited to keep listening either on my way to work or on my way home. So thank you so much for the review. You are the best. And Brenda is actually, like, a super great hairstylist. So if she really is interested in checking her out, we will share her instagram. She really is the best. Kori: Yes, she is the best. Amanda: I know. I confirmed with her that I could share that so that she wasn't. Kori: Yeah, so you're not just like, I know. Amanda: Well, I wanted to mention her a while ago and I was like, I'm going to edit it out because I haven't even asked her. But I talked to her and she said it was totally fine if I nice threw that out there. So next week we are going to cover the Kelsey Schelling murder. It actually was one of the most requested cases, so we're really looking forward to covering it. I was actually starting on it last night and there was a lot of things that I forgot about it. I remember when it happened and I stayed up on it. But it's going to be a good episode. Kori: It will. It will be a really good episode. That was a really terrible thing. I hope you guys are enjoying all of our social media posts. I'm having a lot of fun looking up pictures and doing those. You can also leave a review on Facebook and start some conversations over there. It doesn't have to be something we post. You guys can post and we will hop in and chat with everyone. That would be super fun. Slide right into our DMs. We don't hate that. Amanda: Oh, no, we would love that. Anything preferably true crime. Because if you say something creepy or weird, we're going to report you and block you. But don't worry, we will tell you. Kori: Don't waggle your junk at us. No, don't want that either. Amanda: And don't confess to any murders to us because we will tell. All right, well, crime fans, that's all we have for you. Thank you guys so much for joining us today. Please keep the case requests coming. You guys sent in some really great cases and we're really looking forward to covering each of them. If you haven't already, please subscribe so you can be notified every time we upload. If you enjoy listening to us every week, please leave us a review on Apple podcasts. We will pick another listener next week who leaves us review to give a shout out to. New episodes are released every Friday at 10:30, a.m. Mountain Standard Time. Please follow us on Instagram at Colorado Crime Pod or on Facebook at Colorado Crime Podcast for information on next week's episode as well as other true crime happenings. We hope you have a beautiful day wherever you are, and as always, stay safe. Kori: Got a bounce now.

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